Now head back to ZwiftPower, click 'Connect' at the top of the page, then enter your Zwift ID in the box when prompted. It points to the need for a results-based categorization system, which I discussed a month ago in the final post of my race category series. Visit our corporate site (opens in new tab). As Zwift racer James Eastwood so aptly put it, The community dont want to see peoples weight they want fair racing.. Also a really frustrating thing is why doesnt Zwift autoRead more , is he riding in the right category? He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. A thank you to Zwift HQ for listening to the feedback from the racing community and taking action. I have been cycling since I was a kid and now close to 50. Well, its adding weight to gain an advantage. Okay, I now see in ZP where it has my minimum racer category (B) in my profile based on my last race, so I can choose B or A going forward. SoggyAlbatross2. That's it! Im a heavy rider at 102kgs and 193cm tall I once reverse doped my weight at the top of the radio tower to try and achieve the 100km/HR badge It had the opposite effect in that I was actually slower than when descending at my actual weight lol I dont race other than against myself so Ive never weight doped as such My observations recently however have created an awareness of how many stick insects ride bikes on zwift . It's harder than real racing. Im surprised that (off wheel) smart trainers dont have the ability to weigh the rider when they get on the bike. Maybe with a KICKR Climb it might be possible. Even if Id ridden at threshold a little over 4 W/kg, I wouldnt have been able to hang onto the front in a D race, it seems. Heres an idea: Take weigh out of the equation. Hopefully ZHQ will take a harder look the changes that have been proposed over the past year or so. Incrasing virtual weight would probaly downgrade me to B again. Simply put, the system cannot measure weight it can only measure power, so for racing, peoples weight should be disregarded by that I mean, just as everyone in a zwift academy race has the same bike, they should be given the same weight , then it is a race based on FTP banded categories with point based promotion. Zwift now allows for hiding Zwift automatically connects If you don't own power meter pedals, Zwift's non-contract pricing for a Zwift cycling membership is $15 . Why you can trust Cyclingnews We remain committed to protecting the health and well being of the broader Zwift Community, and we look forward to enacting additional measures in the future. But maybe Im just thinking like a lady its hard for me to imagine a lady voluntarily gaining weight, even virtual weight. If thats the norm, then I really dont see theRead more . Why can we just all race together and the fastest person wins? Conserving energy is a key part of successful bike racing. So its not Zwift putting you at a disadvantage but the situation itself, just as you would be in the real world in that situation. There is no disqualification for going over your w/kg limit. He argues hes not gaining an advantage. However, insecure Freds jumpingRead more , I am new to Zwift, but I do wonder how it is youll see a bunch of people finish at the front of a D race at 4-5 W/kg. If so, that makes sense to me and I can absolutely see the point of that. This is pretty timely for me as my FTP is 283 and my weight is currently 71.2kg. (a is tough and im struggling at max h/r for most of the race).Ive gone from 87kgs to 80 kgs in this time and feel fitter than ever. Cheapest Zwift setup: Everything to help you onto Zwift for the first time Currently trying to convince a friend who is new to Zwift not to reverse weight dope. For the time being, height and weight will remain visible on ZwiftPower. Just the fact that you need a third party (ZP) to validate race results really says it all. I know its just virtual but my godi hope they enjoy their lies. Zwift is full of cheaters and thats not going to change now. Think of ZwiftPower, then, as something similar to Strava, only entirely Zwift-focused, and free! Gain a few (virtual) pounds. points based), riders can win by any margin any number of times and remain in their category so long as they do not exceed category limits. The book Fast After 50 is a good read on how masters athletes can train more effectively. plain and simple. ZwiftPower FAQ We're sure you have several questions about ZwiftPower and what it is. First up, you'll have to head to Zwift.com and log in, then click on Settings > Profile > Connections and choose 'opt-in' under the ZwiftPower logo. There is no reason I should be gettingRead more , Sounds like its time to start racing the Bs, @guest_35522! All rights reserved. I may of course be wrong, and these are all true weights, but Id be very surprised if that were the case, in the races where this matters, riders have to submit a private youtube weigh-in video <2 hrs before the race. How come I get beat in sprints when a 60kg guy puts out 700W, when I put out over 1000W at 76kg? Its funny, I was talking to one of my work colleagues who also Zwifts about AdZ and how because Im heavier (125kg / 276lbs) I would never be a sub 60m AdZ rider (I reckon Im looking at sub 2 hours, if lucky), Ive never once considered weight doping, sure I know I could but why would I? I just we had a better system than category limits, racing license anybody? below this level you just have to take people's word for it. Weight doping is a key challenge for cycling esports to overcome, and its one reason why many big races (e.g., those with prize money) require riders to show up and weigh in on-location in a supervised environment. Zwift essentially encourages people to be less than truthful about their weight. Email zwiftpower@zwift.com if you want to reset everything. So what! This is especially true if you are trying to ride with riders you possibly know locally or otherwise. Thank you for signing up to The Pick. In fact, the only riders at or below my w/kg were minutes off the back. I hope they learn from this and are more careful with things like that in the future. As we said in the first post, "Assuming race organizers can access the data via ZwiftPower, and the site includes simple tools for spotting potential weight or height dopers (perhaps flagging those who made dramatic changes recently), then hiding weight and height data from the public should work swimmingly." ur allowed +/- 5% weight for pro zwift races so +/- 0.5 kg is not going to make a difference :p. add weight if u want to stay in D. lower weight if u wanna move to C. up 2 u. I am alleging that weight cheating is endemic in zwift, especially among those who care about winning. I am not saying that everyone with a low weight on zwift is cheating, but I am suggesting that there are many who are because zwift favours light riders, and people do like to win. (Its not the only part, of course! Race them if you want, but Rides like Tour de Zwift are not based on rider category, they are based on distance. I should mention: many Zwifters have lied about their in-game weight for perfectly acceptable reasons. Its going to take a certain amount of calories for a certain person to perform a given amount of work in a given time. I have climbed well and I have suffered on climbs but also sprinted well. (Same effect in a sprint, just harder to isolate). Then lets stop with all athletic competition! Enforce race category entry and youll fix much of the problems with Zwift racing. It this fair? Zwif: your ultimate guide In the future, well continue to bring potential product ideas and changes to members of the Zwift Racing Community, with the hope that youll embrace this as a collaborative effort to help shape the experience. Youve got people putting out 5+ watts/kilo atRead more . People with eating disorders, or a proclivity toward extreme dieting. Yes, but hopefully the system would be designed so, if drop a category then begin doing well, you get upgraded again! Someone with my FTP should be CAT B, regardless of weight. Why we are treating this differently from actual racing? Actually no, sorry, I was wrong. I argue that he is intentionally misrepresenting his weight so he can place higher in B instead of getting shelled in A (like I do). Head to http://my.zwift.com/ and hover your mouse cursor over the 'Download' button under one of your activities. I have a Withings scale and in the Zwift Settings, it shows up as connected. But It doesnt mean that that person is going to be the person riding the bike on the trainer during the race does it. If I were to drop say a kg obviously the watts required would not change to keep at the speed of the group andRead more , Youll go faster at a lighter weight on the flats. This covers name changes as well as weight/height changes during an event. I have seen riders weighting 56 kgs and week later they are 35 kgs. Keep it on. His 150 or 160 is not comparable at all to what mine would be, I have been Zwifting for a couple of years now I can honestly say I am completely addicted to Zwift. I am currently 145kg and have not experienced any bullying so far. Most of the time, this will be what you use to figure out your race category. You can record your weight n height n have it verified by experts etc up to five minutes before an event. This is how racing is supposed to work. Hardly true Say you train and commit yourself to being honest to achieve better fitness,and also better results, albeit virtually..then someone finishes better than you solely because of the BS numbers they entered. Thats the reason why a results category would be more interesting like Erics suggested in his topic. Racers who get top 1,2,3 more than a few times get upgraded period. I understand if someone has a banner day or just bumped up out of upper C to lower B. A great challenge for those looking for those training gains. Zwift excessively rewards the athlete for being light and small. But I also did it because I knew it was great practice! In fact, you can change a workout on Zwift about as fast as you can U-turn a bicycle on a real hill. Heres how it works. If I wanted to win I just drop my weight to 65kgs 350w/65kgs is a lot better than 350w/85kgs, of course 350w/65kg is better than 350w/85kg, its a massive increase in w/kg. It's also possible to filter results and data by categories, such as different age or power ranges. Fact ! I havent even used my road bike outdoors since 2012. It doesnt appear that people are abiding by the categories. She can crank but her w/kg is low. Contribute a post, shop through us, make a donation, advertise on this site. This would include preventing people from entering the wrong (too low) category, and multiple month suspensions (race events would not appear in that persons Zwift application event list, no ability to enter) for using a height or weight that cannot be verified, or miscalibration of a smart trainer. All the emphasis on physical metrics makes sense for putting together how speed is calculated but not how one can race. How do I get started on Zwift? Doing this will bring up a box at the bottom of the browser showing a web address something similar to: https://s3-fit-prd-uswest2-zwift.s3.amazonaws.com/prod/000000/a2e1b7f8-27610843. look at the article. Do some races have split out start times so you are only racing with those of similar ability? w/kg is partially based on real world physics. Some big Zwift races have specific rulesets, etc. ), So what is reverse weight doping? Whether w/kg is the appropriate way to categorise races is anotherRead more , As a 92kg rider, with a w/kg FTP of 289 (or 3.14 w/kg) I wholeheartedly agree. I just got upgraded to CAT A according to zwiftpower. If you're on Zwift and planning to get racing, then signing up to the third-party app ZwiftPower (opens in new tab) is an essential step. I still have no sprint kick so Im never winning anything anyway. If you are on the lighter side, try picking some climbing races. What you see a lot are riders who are (claiming) to be really light with decent but not exceptional watts. This is real frustrating as hes a top u12 racer and wants to see his efforts recognise. In theory (at least) weight dopers could game the results based categories as well. A recent Crit City A Race is a very good example of this: I finished in the front pack, sprinting it out for 9th place. If other people want to obsess about my weight thats up to them but I wont. We may call it sandbagging or reversed weight doping but its legal . I guess I could play the same game and pretend to be 65kgs (350/65 = an impressive 5.38w/kg), This is where Zwifts scaling of CdA on height and weight gets out of whack with reality. Just from riding regularly I went from 166 FTP to 187 in 800 miles over a 2 1/2 months. Many riders is talking about cheating, when someone enters a lower category but it's not, in my opinion. How Do I Change My FTP On Zwift? Or are you looking for a participation trophy on every race as well? However, I was able to navigate to the settings page by doing the following. But I get beaten by lots of other zwifters, even on flat courses. In spectacular and shocking fashion. Prior to joining the team, he had written for most major publications in the cycling world, including CyclingWeekly, Rouleur, and CyclingTips. (Example: if your FTP is 300 watts and you weigh 75kg, your FTP w/kg would be 300/75, or 4 w/kg.) The 33-pound Hub is 14 pounds lighter than the 47-pound Wahoo Kickr, even though the two trainers are almost exactly the same size. Why not only require weight and height for entry to A and B races? Racing on the Zwift virtual platform has only increased, with the professionals getting in on the act, too, via the Zwift Tour for All, the Virtual Tour of the Gila, and e-races organised by Team Ineos. Choose a Zwift workout, but before you start riding look at the workout breakdown on the left side of the screen. this is how it is in real life , big ian stannard putting in hard fast miles on the front for (was) team sky , while all the small guys tuck in the peloton getting drafted along saving energy for later on in the race , because they can`t compete on the flat with the big boys . its only cheating myself, instead I would prefer to spend that 2 painful hours doing something honestly and feel proud of it than zooming through it in sub 60m and not reap the same benefits (or in my case, pain). Terms of Use/DMCA Copyright Policy What if you are super committed and gain the weight in real life just so you can stay in the category , Excellent posts on perhaps the most serious non-hardware problem in Zwift right now. I have tended to notice that a significant number of powerful zwifters real world Strava performances pale in comparison to their online achievements. Whats the cheaters solution? Its more fun and engaging that way, for me at least. Whatever your answer, some people will never like it, but there has to be a clear, credible answer for the majority to support. How about simply showing a percentage variance. We would like to thank the community for your passion and feedback. I ride B category races & never podium but have been puzzled as I always seem to have a higher w/kg than most of the other riders in the race. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. But since there are no clear rules on it at this time, its a bit of a self-policing thing with a fair amount of grey area. Hide the weight who cares let them upgrade all the way to As where you have strict reporting requirements. Would depend entirely upon the bike geometry, how much weight is over the front wheel and how much over the back. .Personally I one of the outliers on height and weight. Its ridiculous. Example: have you ever purposely avoided weighing yourself (especially you who have a Withings scale that automatically updates your Zwift weight) because you know youve put on a few pounds over the weekend? Honest mistake on my part and one I wont make again, so fair enough to be filtered outRead more , Related (and apologies if the answer is obvious but Ive only done one Zwift race), really what is the point of the categories? This isnt IRL racing it is e-racing. Hes not looking for a trophy every race. 0.5kg discrepancy either side is actually quite small. Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. Launch Zwift and go to the Menu. Why try to force IRL parameters that can not be enforced. But it highlights a bigger problem, and that is the fundamental flaw of using watts per kilo for race categorization. Some races (many, in fact) on Zwift work exactly like that. As soon as I start pedaling Im pretty much into threshold (around 170bpm). This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. Eric runs Zwift Insider in his spare time when he isn't on the bike or managing various business interests. Noob question though, whats the etiquette around weighing with kit on or off. Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. Not everyone has the same HRmax. Problem solved! 1 - Manually Set Your FTP Let's say you already know your FTP, then you can go into Zwift and manually change it to whatever you'd like. Some people are clearly living in a fantasy on zwift. Nailed it. I was wondering is it possible to get the graph at the bottom of the screen that shows youre power and other stuff on a normal ride and not doing a FTP test or workout. And this is why reverse weight doping is a thing. Keep hammering the point and finding ways that Zwift can improve controls. As a 59/60kg rider who always seems to have a higher w/kg than the people I finish around, Ive been curious about adding 50% to both my weight and http://ftp. Everything you need to know about the third-party Zwift results and analysis website. But without any hard and fast rules, we cant say anything is illegalat least for certain races. I have just accepted that at my height I will always be heavier than the average cyclist. Zwift can wipe your Zwift Power profile and give you a clean slate to start over if you want, but I think you will lose all past data. You do you. Nice work! Especially for the C and D groups but even for the Bs albeit to a lesser degree. I was told that was possible but I couldnt see how. My performance IRL then probably looks pale compared to when Im racing in Zwift, I use the same power meter on Zwift as I do outdoors and I only push it outdoors during FTP tests and during closed road events (i.e. Weight doping is only a serious issue when its done in competition. I agree WTRL ZRL races dont feel like they have cheaters. The COVID-19 lockdown period, now in its third month around the world, has seen an unprecedented boom in virtual cycling. Ill remain skeptical until I see some actual changes. As well as original reporting, news and feature writing, and production work, Daniel also runs The Leadout newsletter and oversees How to Watch guides throughout the season. Zwift should take accountability for what matters most to start with and thats the cheaters. How big of a problem is reverse weight doping? How doRead more . But theres one problem: this puts you into the B category, and you dont want to race the Bs. In the 2 months Ive been on Zwift Ive become a stronger rider than ever, because Zwift encourages me to push myself harder than I do in real life. Once I hit 185 its either sit up and catch my breath of fall of the bike. I never thought i should weigh myself with my kit on. I climbed the Alpe last night for Stage 3 of the Tour of Watopia, missing my target of going under an hour by just over 12 seconds (Aargh!!). Then everyone would know who is legit or at least somewhat legit. My solution would make everyones chances equal, while yours would strongly favor heavy riders. I hopeRead more . The six-digit number highlighted in bold will be your Zwift ID. IRead more , Aaron, do you know what is the wattage requirement for Cat A? Bikecalculator suggests not Go to http://bikecalculator.com/ enter an 85kg rider, riding on the drops for 16.2kms (ie an ITT) leaving all else unchanged. As some others already mentioned, the bodyweight tends to oscillate over the week and even the day. As long as youre being honest with yourself I wouldnt worry about it too much. Ive done multiple races where my main goal was to keep the watts as low as possible while hanging with the front group. Best turbo trainers: Smart trainers to improve your indoor cycling experience Thanks Some of the reasons Ive never pushed as hard on a real ride include: Stopping / slowing for junctions Traffic / pedestrians / other hazards Appreciating the view No watt meter on my real bike I dont race in real life I dont do workouts in real life Changing wind Threat of a headwind on my home journey And the biggest: WantingRead more , Agree with the above. (and dont do organized rides for fairness) so I dont have resistance changes and sometimes zwift reports extraordinary power readings for a ride. Similar to the announcement of the European Super League in soccer, Zwift failed to read the room. As such, we have agreed to pause this change while we develop tools that deliver greater transparency to Zwift racing while promoting wellness. I think Im just heavier than my competition. In a race not in Zwift it is very easy for people to recongize who I am. Everyone else in the race is riding flat out (your own HR was 174bpm) but these guys are just cruising along watching their watts and are then able toRead more , Not sure its that simple I am a heavy category C racer, and (funnily enough) finished 5th in both my recent Crit City races with average HR of 153 and 150.
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