He did it from one of the most powerful places in Southwest Missouri the pulpit of James River Church, where he leads an Assemblies of God congregation that often tops 9,000 worshipers on Sundays. This guy has lists on his page in bulleted form: 33 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, Video comes off to me as MD justifying his return to the pulpit. it isnt anguish if i dont care and i am just a head of some church deciding that someone cant seperate or divorce or annul because i dont have time to look into it right now and i will get back to them with my judgment when i think its appropriate. No coffee bar, etc. I know how hard false teaching is to bear. If the congregation, the pew sitter as you say, cannot do it what does that leave? Some great insights there, Bob. actually, i still think mark has a phenomena called mixture of spirits that derek prince wrote about. Of course BHouston can know about MDs statements in the past 5 minutes of Googling will turn up Wenatchee The Hatchets meticulous documentation, screenshots and all, and Warren Throckmortons extensive documentation, the mp3 of the infamous sermon in Scotland, etc pp. Dont miss the title of Lindells May 16, 2014 blog entry: I dont feel I HAVE to agree with you. He appealed that he had no say in the matter. My old church Gateway has atmosphere teams in services to emotionally manipulate members and visitors. In their case, they just use Jesus as marketing tool to sell their own image.It is not like they have not had access to truth. Click below for times and locations: Learn More Stronger Men's Bible Study 6am on Tuesdays | March 7th - April 11th, 2023 | All Campuses Membership Covenants It is a winner! The hyper romanticized cinematic version of the uber cool Che trumps the reality of his bloody terrorist tactics and the horrors and oppression that his brand of communism inflicted on others. We would be interested in any thoughts you may have regarding Mark Driscoll's message. until he apologizes to the elders and church members he hurt so badly i dont think there will be a true repentance that God can use. LT wrote: A group of followers dealing directly with each other and not with an institution sounds appealing. There is no reason why he should be a pastor again. helpful or even hopeful in terms of my eternal afterlife. it is heartbreaking to have to help them get through the transfer of custody until the one can get through a treatment and be able to be around the child again. "He saw it for what it was. to confer grace through the sacraments. Going forward, we are committed to doing a better job of encouraging and maintaining the procedures necessary to keep people safe and secure, James River Church officials explained. The world has a lot higher standards and integrity than the whole xtian celebrity machine put together, and the internet helps everyone to see that. *MD and Mark Demoss calculated an irresistible snow job, tailored just for pentecostalworld (who are generally open to things without empirical proof). She came to me in sorrow that she walked away from a relationship with Agathos after that Mars Hill warning.. He urged Christians living in the city limits of Springfield to vote to repeal the law and to leave church with a Yes-On-Repeal yard sign. For those who follow celebrities, I dont, this is the church that made it into the news last year. i havent seen any video or statement where he has actually apologized for anything except being mean when he should have been nicer in throwing people under the bus, shoulda offered them a pillow maybe so they didnt hit the ground so hard, but totally right in throwing them. Youre not trying hard enough! If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, its a lie. Who has harmed you? What in the world could someone with his outlandish views contribute to conferences at Hillsong or James River? These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. They want him to go away and they want to pretend he never existed for the sake of saving those church plants. We are passionate about . this discussion you make today determines your destiny, God wants you to forgive. And did he threaten to punch Pastor Lindell in the nose and throw him under the bus if he wasnt given the gig? I hope you found some of the above helpful. But the dishonest churches can be relied upon to cry persecution. In your mega travels Lydia, is this homogenization of bad practices the norm? And he actually dismissed several of them as how Sissies or men who wear product in their hair act. Popularity and attention of the masses is not the right motive for serving the Lord. FTR Hillsong is also Assemblies of God. mark is finally preaching more accurately who Jesus is and the fact that salvation is found in Jesus but then he goes off into marks interpretation of the bible as usual. where is Mark Driscolls apology to over a thousand children in two orphanages? Yes he was forgiven, but be spent years away from his former life, maybe to relearn what Christ Jesus was about. Others appear to draw some type of inspiration from Driscoll. I also have recently spoken to another ministry leader involved in orphan care in Africa. Ironically, in giving this speech, Lindell was doing just that shooting the wounded. Why should we bother with reading history or learning the truth? Dont you want to be a part of that? But it would be encouraging if they did. We know that Driscoll should never have been a pastor: lack of formal qualifications, lack of maturity in the faith (too young, and never been a member of a church before he started his own), lack of maturity in general; Whats worse, total lack of good character. The disciples send him off to Tarsus and after that-there was peace for a time in the churches in Judea, Galilee and Samaria.:o). Elders thatthat sin are to be rebuke before all, that others also may fear. According to the Pastor John Lindell, Driscoll has spoken there on three other occasions. since we are all clergy??? I dont think it is realistic. Brad Pitt cancelled his wedding there due to the churchs anti-gay preaching. In February 2008, less than two months after his promise not to abandon our orphans, we received a letter from Scott Thomas. @ Lydia: He essentially called the Driscoll victims liars and persecutors. Ches rise and fall occurred before I was born so Id sincerely appreciate any insight and correction. In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. if mark is not truly repentant, (which is totally conceivable since he has never apologized for anything except being too unkind in firing people and running people into the ground under his God given authority) then this could be compared, (by sin levelers who will be quick to show up here and defend him)this could be compared to Jordan Root getting right back in the mission field and preaching about what happens when women and heathens in the press persecute godly people accused of child porn addictions with no evidence. In December 2007, Merle and I quietly left Mars Hill Church. luke was paul's dr and paul was luke's pastor. Even in the Roman Catholic Church, the obvious structure does not prevent sin or other problems, so I dont think it is a matter either of too much or not enough structure making us fall short of perfection. I am haunted by that infamous message where he appeared to use a Bible passage to describe what was about to happen to two Mars Hill elders. This can be anything from praying for people over the phone to working in the Online Campus studio. I call that tragic because there are still a lot of honest pastors and churches out there. Thanks for your help Numo! All you have to do is say some magic words and we end up being the mean ones if dare say we otherwise. I can appreciate that sentiment Gram3 and I applaud it. It takes at least 6 months before you start seeing things clearly. The he takes him back to Antioch where they work together for a year with converted Gentiles. Is there a third way that I have overlooked? The virus is having a wonderful time right now spreading through this country, taking advantage of circumstances where people have let their guard go down. COuld someone explain how its supposed to work without a leader . Actually, they have as much as said that there is a good root (their doctrines/practices that accidentally produced some bad fruit. I'm in on that. @ Gus: Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. 15 But the Lord said to Ananias, Go! Oops, last comment of mine was supposed to link to this comment. In the wake of this and other scandals, the Mars Hill Church collapsed. But the Pipers, Mohlers, Akins and others saw him as someone really catching the attention of the young guystheir followers. OZARK, Mo. You said again twice. The US pastor, who has courtedcontroversy for what has been dubbed his "more-macho-than-thou" brand of Christianity, resigned from his Seattle megachurch in October after being found "guilty of pride" as well as abusive, controlling and manipulative behaviour. I suspect that process would take a bit longer with Driscoll hes a bigger mess. He made a lucrative living and lived what I would call a lavish lifestyle (higher standard of living than every single person in my church, for example), and he did it all with Jesus. Any allegations are probably not as bad as the truth. "And how many knownot everything you read on the internet is true". There was no light show. Lindell reused the Robert Morris line of chiding his congregation to stop shooting the wounded. I am not the most wonderful guy in the world, i am not a saint, but when i asked Jesus to forgive me and fill me with His Spirit i changed inside. These leaders are lacking even a basic level of discernment or judgement. Great insight. Above all he had that coveted edginess he wore age and occupation inappropriate t shirts and chunky jewelry on the pulpit. Ever heard a sermon about Slaying your giants? The text is not prescriptive. If there is one thing I think is missing from the entire narrative of interpreting scripture it is the theme of wisdom running through it from Genesis on. Something has gone seriously wrong in Mega-Land and it aint just thinking about having MD speak at one of their conferences. I believe they were simply behaving as their normal selves. And later did sort of brag about how beneficial it was to him in his spiritual life. Newer ones have theater seating or individual chairs. It was clear to me that Marks attendance had the potential to divert attention from the real purpose. All 6,115 words of it. I noted in my comments on the petition that Driscoll still hasnt repented before all and specifically to the people whose lives he damaged, such as former Mars Hill elder/attorney Paul Petry, a godly, decent man. @ sam: So I can see why some churches would want him on board. plausible they shoved that in jesus mouth, with that taste on his lips. (the death of Jesus on the cross as written in the bible is not enough, mark adds something more exciting and sickening like they shoved an a##-wipe sponge in Jesus mouth.) Great comment Bridget. Forgive him? I also dont think he should work or earn profit in any manner making money off Jesus (such as selling Christian books, pod casts, site subscriptions, accepting speaking fees to appear at churches, etc). I am sorry if anything I wrote about Che offended you. I hope you dont write off church altogether. 6100 N 19th St Ozark, MO 65721 Directions. Che badgered/shamed the workers that receiving a pat on the back from their boss/comrade for increasing the quota should be enough for them to continue to increase production without any chance of being compensated for it monetarily. He was the vulgar shock jock of American Christianity. stephen is going to be filled with the Holy Spirit. (mark doesnt say that stephen was already filled with the Holy Spirit, the bible doesnt mention stephen being filled at that time at all) pure in heart shall see God. To tell, perhaps? He can darn well get used to a lower standard of living. Like God might show up. (Jesus is a pastor?) i hope the same is happening to others who have been victims of spiritual abuse and church cult tactics. And he actually dismissed several of them as how Sissies or men who wear product in their hair act. Bob, I loved your comment. We are believing this 5-day event will change your life! yelling at the referees for too many seasons. It is possible for someone who is engaged in homosexual behavior to stop.". Persecuted, but You cant criticize me for a moment. There is an old belief in bapto-evangelico circles that one of the criticisms that could for sure be said against certain other christian religious traditions is that they have priests and we do not, because they let the priests tell them what to do and influence them too much but in our way of doing things that does not happen. Your comment is insightful and probably (for the AoG churches) right on the money. Wouldnt you encourage him to find another vocation? Mark also provided the all important yet elusive authentic community so long as you bow to him and stay on his good size. In October, he resigned as head pastor from Mars Hill, a Seattle megachurch with a Sunday attendance of 13,000. Albuquerque Blue wrote: Is there a third way that I have overlooked? In his introductory remarks, he spoke of Marks kindness, humility. How can they do that? What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. Additionally, Jonna Petry (who started the blog Joyful Exiles) was shunned along with the Petry children. The only two ways that I can think of for having said benchmarks, assuming by leadership you mean pastor(s) and not just chairman of some committee, is either having a system with central authority with established criteria which must be met prior to ordination and some written policies which are grounds for dismissal in certain conditions, That would be a denominational hierarchical system with designated people with authority and with something in writing, like an official book of how we do it. Or else to have a savvy and informed and mature congregation who would agree with and co-operate with each other on what was necessary and what needed done and which would have the actual power (backing of the people) to get it done. But the attempt was cut short Sunday when Hillsong, one of the most influential international megachurches, cut him from the speaker list at its upcoming conferences in the United Kingdom and in Australia. I think older people ignored the bad boy Driscoll because he seemed to be reaching the young people. GW youth group also adopted the whole Tribes deal directly from Hillsong, complete with competing tribes wearing war paint and carrying weapons. (the homes), just a few helpful links re: hillsong lol, http://www.news.com.au/national/hillsong-church-linked-to-abuse-claims/story-e6frfkp9-1111115815321. I asked people who were about as famous (if that is what you call it) as him what they thought. James River Church Reverend John E Lindell. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. If his values were disdained he would have a far better chance of turning away from the corruption that has engulfed his life so far. The authentic community I was referring to is the it term/concept in megas for 2015. What do you think, Albuquerque? hee hee. We hunkered down and prepared ourselves for the impact of Mark Driscolls threat. Do any of you who oppose Driscoll preaching or running a church again, is there a way he could ever get forgiveness from yall to do that sort of ministry again? And so on. You want to go all Colonel Jessup and rant about the truth? Doing well as opposed to what? Are you not voting? One of six. The carpet was worn. Obviously, I disagree with Lindell on the upcoming vote. (Note I did not diagnose) I do believe seen in that light, it makes it simpler to see how he gets by with it and why some who also make their living in similar ways are promoting him. "The mayor was not in favor of this ordinance," Lindell told his congregation. . Very simple. I view it as wisdom. Who cares about that pesky truth so long as there are clean bathrooms, great hot coffee and rockin worship? It is profoundly ironic that false teachers twist this particular scripture in an abusive way to their advantage just so that they can continue abusing. It is all he knows, and Im sure he has bills to pay, and is used to a certain standard of living. My point with Che is to draw a parallel. Personally I am not really all that interested in what the celebrites do as in endorsing, spinning events or behavior, etc. I dont think people that have fallen for false teachers are stupid, i think instead it reflects the degree of deceit in the false teachers and the seriousnes of the manipulations being used.
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